Beyond the Agreement: Knowing When to Move to Next Steps
What happens when a client gets what they came for earlier than you expected?
In this episode of Inside the Coaching Conversation, I share a real coaching conversation with Linda as she explores resistance around two possible master’s degree paths. What begins as a conversation about discernment uncovers a deeper story about identity, old narratives, and what she believes may or may not fit who she is becoming.
In my debrief, I reflect on something I almost missed because I was focused on my own coaching development. I was intentionally working to establish and maintain the coaching agreement, especially as the conversation shifted. But in concentrating on the competency, I missed an opportunity to recognize that Linda had already found the insight she came for.
Instead of asking, “What should we explore next?” I could have slowed down and helped her integrate what she had already discovered.
It’s a reminder that our goal isn’t simply to demonstrate the ICF Core Competencies well. It’s to use them in service of the person in front of us.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
- Why a shift in the conversation doesn’t always mean you need to establish a new direction
- How moving too quickly back into exploration can bypass an opportunity for deeper integration
- Questions that can help clients explore the impact of a new awareness and what they want to do with it
- Why focusing too closely on demonstrating a coaching competency can sometimes distract us from what the client actually needs
- How reflective practice can help you move beyond “Did I demonstrate the competency?” to “How well did this serve the client?”
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AI assessment performed using ICF PCC Markers (2020).
Overall Developmental Pattern
Across the session, the coach consistently partners with the client and keeps the client at the center. The coach opens and re-opens the session agreement several times, checks for what the client wants to leave with, and largely follows the client’s language, metaphors, and faith orientation. The coach’s talk-to-listen ratio (14:86) aligns with allowing the client to do most of the talking and holding space thoughtfully.
The coach demonstrates a reflective, non-directive style that privileges client awareness over advice or direction. The coach mirrors key words (narrative, story, hint, block/resistance/dread) and invites the client to define meaning. These reflections appear to catalyze meaningful insights (e.g., the “block is the story,” greater clarity about pacing and timing, and honoring a discernment process guided by faith).
The session could have benefited from a crisper session agreement and stronger co-design at the close. While the client’s stated measure of success was “a new insight,” the conversation meandered among multiple rich themes (identity narratives, program choices, spirituality, pacing), with limited conversion of insights into concrete experiments, structures, or accountability. Still, the coach’s presence, trust-building, and evocation of client-generated awareness are strong and align with PCC-level partnering.
Note: The transcript does not provide timestamps. Quotes below reference specific moments by excerpt.
Areas of Strength
- Partnering on the Session Agreement and Measures of Success
- Observation:
- Opening: “So what is our work that we need to do today?”
- Early: “So today to explore what? A little bit of what is the block?”
- Early: “What will help you know that you have enough today to be able to continue thinking about that.” Client: “Maybe just a new insight or a new awareness…”
- Mid: “So in our next 15 minutes or so… what do you need to leave with?”
- Connection to Core Competencies:
- Competency 3 (Establishes and Maintains Agreements): 3.1 (identifies what to accomplish), 3.2 (reconfirms measures of success), 5.3 (supports the client to choose what happens).
- Evidence:
- The coach partners to define the session focus (exploring the “block/resistance/dread”) and co-identifies a measure of success (“a new insight”). The coach checks again near the midpoint to refine what the client needs to leave with. This supports client ownership, keeps the session client-led, and aligns with PCC markers for session agreement and re-contracting.
- Cultivating Trust, Safety, and Presence (including honoring faith and allowing silence/space)
- Observation:
- When the client needed to pause due to choking, the coach responded with calm acknowledgment and patience (“Mhm… Okay.”).
- Later: “What do we need to do together right now to allow whatever direction, if any, the Holy Spirit has for you today?”
- Frequent brief encouragers (“Mhm,” “Yeah”) and space for reflection.
- Connection to Core Competencies:
- Competency 4 (Cultivates Trust and Safety): 4.2 (shows support and empathy), 4.4 (invites the client to respond).
- Competency 5 (Maintains Presence): 5.5 (allows space for silence/pause/reflection).
- Evidence:
- The coach’s calm, accepting responses during the interruption strengthened safety. The explicit honoring of the client’s spiritual framework (Holy Spirit, discernment) respects the client’s worldview and co-creates a safe container. The client shares freely and increasingly deeply (childhood narratives, spiritual guidance), indicating trust and psychological safety.
- Evoking Awareness through the Client’s Language, Metaphors, and Meaning-Making
- Observation:
- Early: “That is interesting, that progression of block, resistance, dread. Does that have any significance on those three different words?”
- Mid: “Narrative and Story has come up multiple times… If you were to put a title on this current narrative or story… what might that be?”
- Mid-late: “What is it about hints today?”
- Connection to Core Competencies:
- Competency 6 (Listens Actively): 6.2 (explores client’s words), 6.7 (summarizes what was communicated).
- Competency 7 (Evokes Awareness): 7.1–7.4 (asks about current thinking/beliefs and helps explore beyond current thinking toward outcomes), 7.6 (clear, open-ended questions).
- Evidence:
- The coach repeatedly leverages the client’s own words—“block/resistance/dread,” “narrative/story,” “hint/scavenger hunt”—to invite fresh perspective. These invitations lead the client to name pivotal insights: the “block is the story,” the significance of pacing (fall vs. January), and a more grounded alignment with a discernment process guided by faith. The client’s statements (“That was actually really insightful…”, “The block is the story…”, “Starting in the fall… doesn’t sound like a terrific idea”) show tangible cognitive and emotional shifts sparked by the coach’s reflections and questions.
How these strengths supported the client:
- The client clarified that the core block is a narrative-level issue rather than just a program decision, felt permission regarding timing (discernment year), and articulated practical support needs (conversation with husband, timing considerations). The coach’s partnering and presence allowed the client to own insights and next considerations.
Opportunities for Growth
- Co-create a Sharper, More Actionable Session Agreement
- Observation:
- Early: The session focus landed on exploring “the block/resistance/dread” and looking for “a hint,” with success defined as “a new insight.”
- Mid: “So what do we need to look at now?” and later “In our next 15 minutes, what do you need to leave with?” The client offered more thematic directions (what feels easy about theology vs. resistant about counseling, “a hint of understanding”) but the coach did not help define a concrete target within those options (e.g., specific decision criteria, one belief to test, one experiment to design).
- Connection to Core Competencies:
- Competency 3 (Establishes and Maintains Agreements): 3.1–3.4 (identify what to accomplish, measures of success, explore importance, define what to address).
- Evidence:
- While the coach did establish a broad aim and measure, the agreement remained abstract (“a hint,” “new insight”). The conversation then moved among multiple rich themes (identity narratives, program structures, spiritual nudges, pacing) without settling on a more specific sub-focus to address within the time. A crisper agreement (e.g., “By the end, select 1–2 criteria you’ll use to evaluate counseling vs. theology programs” or “Identify the one narrative to test this week and how you’ll test it”) would likely have produced even more targeted progress and a clearer through-line.
Suggestions for practice:
- After the client offers a broad aim, ask: “Of the themes you named, which one would create the most value to explore deeply today?” and “What would be the most meaningful evidence, by the end, that we did that well?”
- Convert Insight into Concrete Experiments and Accountability
- Observation:
- Late: The coach asks, “What support do you need as you wait…?” and “What else do you need to support yourself in that conversation?” The client identifies a conversation with her husband and the need for time before Labor Day.
- There was minimal co-design of how the client would prepare for that conversation (e.g., questions to bring, criteria to discuss, logistics), or explicit accountability structures (how/when to check in on progress).
- Connection to Core Competencies:
- Competency 8 (Facilitates Client Growth): 8.4 (consider how to use new learning), 8.5–8.7 (partner to design post-session action, resources/barriers, and accountability).
- Evidence:
- The client arrived at meaningful insights about narrative, pacing, and discernment. The coach invited support planning but stopped short of co-designing experiments or accountability (e.g., an inquiry list for program fit, informational interviews, a structured spiritual listening practice, or a narrative re-write exercise with a time-bound plan). Co-designing 1–2 small experiments and defining how the client wants to be supported and held accountable could transform insight into momentum while respecting the discernment frame.
Suggestions for practice:
- After insight, ask: “Given what you’ve learned, what 1–2 small experiments feel aligned with your discernment?” “What resources or supports do you want in place?” “What does accountability look like for you, and how do you want to set that up?”
Reflective Questions
- When the client used terms like “hint,” “block/resistance/dread,” and “narrative,” what informed your decision about which thread to follow and when? How might an explicit micro-agreement mid-session have sharpened focus and impact?
- You invited somatic awareness once (“What are you noticing… in your body?”). When the client moved quickly to story, what options did you consider (e.g., gently returning to the body, reflecting an energy shift you noticed)? What might have become possible had you stayed with the somatic line for a beat longer?
- As the client named clarity about timing and support (husband conversation), how might you have co-designed one or two small, values-aligned experiments and an accountability structure without rushing their discernment process?
Overall Reflection
What the coach is doing consistently well:
- Strong presence, trust, and client-centered partnering. The coach honors the client’s faith, language, and pace; listens deeply; and uses the client’s metaphors to evoke meaningful awareness. Re-contracting moments align with PCC.
Where the coach appears to be developing:
- The coach shows growing skill in linking client language to powerful questions that surface deeper identity narratives and beliefs. The client’s statements (“The block is the story,” “Starting in the fall… doesn’t sound like a terrific idea”) indicate effective evocation of new awareness.
Next developmental edge:
- Sharpen session agreements into more tangible sub-outcomes and co-design post-insight experiments, supports, and accountability. This will help transform rich awareness into aligned movement—especially apt for a discernment year where small tests and structures can honor both spiritual listening and forward progress.
Does this recording exhibit the necessary evidence to pass at PCC?
- Likely yes. The coach demonstrates multiple PCC markers across Agreement (basic), Trust/Safety, Presence, Listening, and Evoking Awareness. Growth facilitation is present but could be stronger through co-designed actions and accountability. With enhanced specificity in agreements and closure design, the coach’s work would more consistently meet or exceed PCC-level expectations.
AI assessment performed using Minimum Skills Requirements for MCC (2025).
Overall Developmental Pattern
Across the session, the coach consistently partnered with the client’s agenda and maintained a light, spacious presence. The conversation was strongly client-led (coach talk time 9.7% with a 14:86 talk-to-listen ratio), and the coach tracked and reflected the client’s language and metaphors (narrative, hints, scavenger hunt, Holy Spirit) in a way that honored the client’s worldview and supported self-generated insight. The coach’s style was calm, minimal, and non-directive, allowing extended reflection and silence.
The coach demonstrated curiosity and a capacity to notice and mirror patterns emerging in the client’s speech (e.g., block–resistance–dread; repeated references to narrative and “hints”). Questions were generally succinct and open, often inviting the client to name awareness and choose direction (e.g., “What do we need to look at in our time today?”; “What will help you know that you have enough today?”). This contributed to meaningful awareness for the client about the “story” driving their resistance.
At the same time, the session could have benefited from a more explicit, co-created session agreement (desired outcome and measures of success) and from more translation of insights into meaningful experiments, criteria, or next steps. While the coach asked a few action-oriented questions toward the end, the session remained largely in exploration. At an MCC level, the coaching would likely show sharper contracting (especially as the topic shifted) and bolder, concise reflections that catalyze deeper insight and choice, culminating in client-designed movement.
Areas of Strength
- Observation
Early in the session, the coach invites focus and measures of success:
- “So what is our work that we need to do today?” (opening)
- “So what will help you know that you have enough today to be able to continue thinking about that?” (early)
Connection to Core Competencies
- Competency 3: Establishes and Maintains Agreements (Markers 3.1 and 3.3)
Evidence
- The coach partners with the client to identify the focus area and elicits how the client will recognize “enough” for today (“a new insight or awareness”). This supports a shared sense of direction while preserving client autonomy. Although the agreement could be sharpened further, this behavior demonstrates foundational partnership and alignment with the client’s measures.
How it supported the client
- Setting an initial frame and success criterion helped the client recognize when they had reached a “hint” of awareness and contributed to their later statement that starting in the fall “doesn’t sound like a terrific idea,” indicating movement toward clarity.
- Observation
The coach tracks and leverages client language and metaphors throughout:
- “That is interesting, that progression of block resistance, dread. Does that have any significance…?” (early–mid)
- “Narrative and Story has come up multiple times… If you were to put a title on this current narrative…” (mid)
- “What is it about hints today?” (mid–late)
- “What do we need to do together right now to allow whatever direction, if any, the Holy Spirit has for you today?” (mid)
Connection to Core Competencies
- Competency 6: Listens Actively (Markers 6.1, 6.2)
- Competency 7: Evokes Awareness (Markers 7.1, 7.3)
Evidence
- The coach recognizes and mirrors nuanced client language (narrative, block/resistance/dread, hints, Holy Spirit), inviting the client to deepen meaning-making. Questions are succinct and one-at-a-time, supporting reflection rather than directing content.
How it supported the client
- Leveraging the client’s metaphors surfaced pivotal insight: “The block is the story; it’s a narrative.” The client also clarified their discernment stance (waiting for a nudge vs. forcing a fall start), which is integral to their values and decision-making.
- Observation
The coach creates reflective space and invites the client to self-direct the conversation:
- “So what do we need to look at in our time today?” (early)
- “What new awarenesses do you have at this point?” (mid)
- “So you wanted some new awarenesses. What are you aware of about yourself that you weren’t aware of before?” (late)
- Frequent brief acknowledgments and pauses (“Mhm.”) across the session.
Connection to Core Competencies
- Competency 5: Maintains Presence (Markers 5.1, 5.4)
- Competency 8: Facilitates Client Growth (Marker 8.1)
Evidence
- The coach remains calm, non-judgmental, and comfortable with silence, regularly inviting the client to notice their own learning. The coach’s minimalism fosters client ownership and deep reflection.
How it supported the client
- The client generated several meaningful insights (e.g., the old “I’m not meant to be a pastor/counselor” story; discernment vs. urgency; peace around not starting in the fall), and identified a relational support step (conversation with spouse).
Opportunities for Growth
- Sharpen and revisit the session agreement, especially as the focus evolves
Observation
- The initial contracting is broad (“work we need to do today”), and while the coach elicits a measure (“a new insight”), the focus shifts multiple times (body sensations; narrative title; “hints”/Holy Spirit; fall class decision) without explicit re-contracting. Example prompts:
- “So what do we need to look at in our time today?” (early)
- “So what do we need to look at now?” (mid)
- “In our next 15 minutes or so… what do you need to leave with?” (mid–late)
Connection to Core Competencies
- Competency 3: Establishes and Maintains Agreements (Markers 3.1, 3.3, 3.4)
Evidence
- The coach invites a general focus and a loose measure but does not consistently confirm or recalibrate the session outcome when noticeable shifts occur (e.g., from exploring “block/resistance/dread” to decision timing and spiritual discernment). At MCC, we would expect an explicit check-in to confirm “Is this still the outcome we’re pursuing?” or “Shall we shift our focus now to X?”
Impact
- Clearer, revisited agreements would heighten mutual focus, align the exploration with what matters most now, and make the client’s declared “enough” more tangible.
- Support translation of insight into principled experiments and accountability
Observation
- Toward the end, the coach asks about support: “What support do you need as you wait for the next nudge…?” and “What else do you need to support yourself in that conversation with him?” (late). The client identifies talking with their husband and the need for time. However, the session does not co-create specific, client-generated experiments or decision criteria that transform the new awareness into practical movement within the discernment frame (e.g., informational interviews, program criteria, reflective practices aligned with “nudge/hint,” or a micro-experiment that honors waiting without stalling).
Connection to Core Competencies
- Competency 8: Facilitates Client Growth (Markers 8.2, 8.3)
Evidence
- The coach effectively elicits learning (8.1), yet there is limited partnering to convert learning into experiments, criteria, or structures that promote autonomy and progress. At MCC, we typically see the client designing actions congruent with their insights and values, including how they will know it’s working and how they want to be supported.
Impact
- Partnering to design one or two small, values-aligned experiments (e.g., co-creating discernment criteria; a reflective practice to attend to “nudges;” identifying one conversation with a counselor and one with a pastor to test fit; setting a gentle check-in date) would honor the client’s discernment pacing while creating meaningful movement.
Reflective Questions
- When the client’s focus shifted (e.g., from “block/resistance/dread” to “hints” and timing), what cues did you notice, and how might you explicitly re-contract in those moments to ensure you are coaching to the outcome that matters most now?
- If you were to invite the client to design one experiment that honors “waiting for a nudge” and also fosters movement, what question might you ask that keeps agency fully with the client?
- Where might a brief, bolder reflection (e.g., naming a tension you hear between “year of discernment” and “pressure to start in the fall”) have served the client in sharpening their awareness or choice?
Overall Reflection
What the coach is doing well
- Strong presence and client-led partnership; consistent tracking of client language and metaphors; succinct, spacious questioning that fosters reflection; respectful alignment with the client’s spiritual frame. The client generated meaningful insights about their narrative and found greater peace with timing.
Where the coach is developing
- Establishing a clearer, co-created session agreement and revisiting it as the conversation shifts; consistently translating awareness into client-designed, values-aligned experiments or decision criteria.
Next developmental edge
- At an MCC level, tighten the agreement and occasionally offer concise, high-impact reflections that name patterns/tensions, then partner to co-create principled experiments and structures for follow-through. This preserves spaciousness while increasing precision and impact.
Pass at the level assessed (MCC Minimum Skills 2025)?
- Not yet. The session reflects many solid PCC-level behaviors (strong presence, listening, evoking awareness), but lacks the consistent MCC-level precision in contracting/re-contracting and in partnering to transform awareness into client-designed action/experiments with clear ownership and support. With sharper agreements and more robust design of movement, this coach appears well on the path toward MCC.
Reflect
Where you might have slowed down, stayed with an insight longer, or helped the client connect what she discovered to her larger discernment journey.
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I like your podcast and it is good learning experience for me. Can you provide transcript for your podcast episodes?
Lin,
I can see how a transcript would be helpful. Unfortunately, I am not able to include a transcript at this time.
Crystal